L K (00:02)
All right. Hello. Welcome to the Mother Photographer podcast. I am your host and patron saint of unsolicited advice, Lark and Kendall. And with me today, I have one of my favorite people to chat with, Nathan Chansky, who I also in my own brain say as Chansky because I just think it's fancier. β Nathan Chansky, welcome to the Mother Photographer podcast. I'm so happy to have you here with me today.
Nathan Chanski (00:22)
I like it.
Thank you for having me. I'm so pumped to be here. I appreciate it that you think I'm someone worth talking to. yeah, I love it. I love your perspectives and everything. Every time you open your mouth, I'm like, yes. So I can't wait to get into it.
L K (00:43)
Same, absolute same. You know what's so funny is I actually get β probably once a month at least, maybe twice a month, a DM about our podcast that we did on your show. And I just am always like, yeah, we had a great chat. I've been wanting to, this is my baby project, my new project, this podcast. So I'm just kind of getting going here. β But I've been on many, including yours and yours was one of my favorite podcasts I've ever been on.
Nathan Chanski (00:51)
huh.
Yeah, you do. I love that.
It was so good.
Mmm.
Aw, thank you. I loved having you. Absolutely. I love that my people are coming over to you and finding you and being like, yo, you were the best thing because that's exactly why I have people on.
L K (01:13)
Thank you for that opportunity and that experience.
Well, you're just, you're a treasure in this industry. So today, like I know that you have, you have a lot going on. You have a lot different arms to the octopus that is your business. I think if anybody follows you online, they know that you are just, I just look at you as like a social media maverick and not only in the way that you are producing content and like what you're coming up with and how you're showing up in your business, but you also have very
Nathan Chanski (01:26)
Thanks.
Hmm.
L K (01:52)
I feel honestly integrated who you are in so many, well in every aspect of your business. And it's something that I think a lot of people struggle with is being able to combine those two things and understand that the business is very much an extension of themselves and that our business is, we're going to talk about β a lot of different aspects of mindset today, but that our businesses can be used as mirrors and shadow work a lot of time because nothing is going to show us our weaknesses like our business.
Nathan Chanski (02:07)
Hmm
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm, absolutely.
L K (02:23)
And so
I want to launch right on in, right on in with you and talk about, β when I asked you about this podcast and what we wanted to chat, what you wanted to chat about, you were like mindset, mindset's where it really all begins. So I wanted to ask you like, what's the most costly mindset you've had to shift in order to grow.
Nathan Chanski (02:45)
β well, there's so many, you know, I think when you, yeah, when like you said, mindset is something that it does come first. And I do think it is the bedrock of everything you do. And I really liked that you said, if you haven't something like if you haven't dealt with it, if you're in personal life, you'll deal with it in your business life, because it will just show up in all different places. And you just, yeah, you have to look in the mirror for the first time and be like, okay, I need to clean this up. β I think
If I were to pick one that I think will be very, helpful to a lot of people because I noticed this so often in students that I coach, I think one of the biggest mindsets that people need to heal is this idea that they are whatever their failures are, and that they have to identify with their failures and they have to identify with the mistakes they've made. β So
For example, let's say you're in a situation where you make a mistake with a client or let's say you show up late to a photo shoot or let's say you didn't deliver photos on time or whatever it might be. Oftentimes what we do is we identify with those things and we actually use I am statements and you say something like I am such a late person or I am such I always mess up when I blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right? And unfortunately, when you say those types of things, they will embed into basically what's called like your subconscious brain, and you will start creating more mistakes for yourself for your life, because you have actually spoken those things over yourself. β But what I have found has been very, very shifting shape shifting for me is to simply identify as a successful person. I know that might sound silly.
but I don't think it's just based on β saying things that aren't true. Like they're actually true. So if you look at your life and the way that you walk upstairs, the way that you put one foot in front of the other, the way that you tie your shoe, the way that you put your clothes on, the way that you drive your car, you're doing all of those things successfully over and over and over again. And so your body, your physical body and your mind is truly this machine.
of success perpetually, you're just not realizing it and you're just not actually identifying it as success. And so what has really helped me is this mindset that I have been created for success. And the way that my body was created, the way that was my mind was created is to succeed in the environment in which I'm placed. That doesn't mean that I don't occasionally fail, that I don't make mistakes, but
Again, it means that overall I am built for success and any mistake or failure that comes along my way is actually just re positioning me for more success. It's kind of like β when you like I've seen this with my dog, like I'll throw a ball for my dog to go and get and then she'll go get it. And if she makes a mistake, like she slides on the ice too far past the ball or she grabs it in a way that causes the ball to drop.
she most likely just she won't do it again in the subsequent times. And she doesn't stop throwing, she doesn't stop going fetch and being like, I made a mistake. never gonna do it anymore. She just pivots her course and stops doing whatever made the mistake. And then it helps her become more successful overall. So to be honest with you, that's like one of the biggest things that's really helped me. Some people get it. Some people don't get it. They're just hearing me talking. They're like, I don't know what you're saying.
L K (06:33)
Hahaha
Nathan Chanski (06:33)
But I
do think that when you fully understand yourself as a successful person by nature, by definition, it truly can change your entire course of. And again, this is so deep. So some people get it, but some people won't. But I just, that's like one of the most fundamental things for me.
L K (06:51)
Ooh, I get it 100%. And I think I build a lot of my, all of my courses are built in maybe like an unconventional style because I'm big, huge on journaling and not even journaling, just like deep inquiry with self. Because I think that and what I recognize with my own patterns is so many times I don't realize that I have created an identity around a sentence like what you're saying. Like I'm not good at marketing. I was telling myself that for years.
Nathan Chanski (07:05)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
L K (07:17)
I can't
understand funnels. There were things like that that were going on subconsciously that I was not aware of until I started doing deep inquiry on what exactly it is I'm feeling in my business and where that's coming from. And all of my classes are built with that in mind. So we always go through this deep inquiry process. And one of the things I found is once you can identify, and this is developed from Byron Katie. She's incredible if you've never heard of Byron Katie. She's an amazing author. β my God.
Nathan Chanski (07:30)
Mm-hmm.
L K (07:46)
she's an older lady, she's a queen, β but she has an inquiry process. And I just resonated so deeply and took so much benefit from it. So you ask yourself, like you identify a belief like that, that you would have a limiting belief in this instance. And you would ask yourself, is it true? Once you write it down, is it true? Is it really true? What would I be like if I did not believe this? And it's sort of like the beginning of scripting, if you've ever heard of scripting, β which is
Nathan Chanski (08:13)
I have it.
L K (08:15)
in the manifestation world, scripting is where you write something as if it's happening. It's sort of, it's visualization put on paper. So it's like to the detail, to like extreme details. And people take it all kinds of ways. They sit and read their scripts to themselves while looking at themselves in the eye, in the mirror. There's a million ways to do it. Though that sort of doesn't resonate with me because I'm too grounded in 3D in that part of my brain where I'm like, if I can't, I don't believe that I'm gonna make a million dollars next year. Like repeating it to myself doesn't help.
Nathan Chanski (08:20)
Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Oh, 100%,
I'm there too.
L K (08:44)
I'm a scripter
of like next level, like the smallest next incremental level things. So in the morning, part of my process is when I get up and I'm writing, I wake up scared every day, to be perfectly honest with you. It's a thing that I've carried with me my whole life and I never recognized that I was doing it. And it's like fear of what's coming in the day. And so in the first five minutes of every day, I have to re-regulate myself. β
Nathan Chanski (08:49)
Mmm.
Interesting.
L K (09:11)
And it's, you know, I've been able to do it now that I recognize it over the last couple of years, especially I'm like, okay, this is what's happening. We're so cool. But I hated that waking up like, what do gotta do? And I need to do this. needed, I hated that. So I have made like a ritualistic system of my life. I'm looking for that sacred flow. And one of the pieces that I do is every morning when I'm writing, I do stream of consciousness writing, but then I do scripting in my way. And my way is scripting for mindset.
Nathan Chanski (09:18)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Hmm.
L K (09:37)
Like what are the things I want to feel in a day? Well, I want to feel brave. want to feel like, I also want to feel confident, self-confidence in the terms that I start what I finished. The things that I want to do, I see them through. And I see a clear path from A to B. From the base camp to the mountaintop, I see the path. I take the steps necessary. So that's when you were talking about β the whole mindset thing, it's like, that's a good way to, if you want to.
Nathan Chanski (09:44)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yep.
L K (10:03)
if you want to bring it into your daily life where you are working toward recognizing that you want a success mindset. Well, what does that mean? What does a person that has a success mindset look like to you? Maybe writing that down, scripting that out and saying, hey, here's what I need to embody in my brain.
Nathan Chanski (10:10)
Mm-hmm.
Totally.
Yeah, and I even think too, it's like, like when you were talking about you really like to speak and talk in and live in the 3d, right? I'm the exact same way. And I think sometimes people don't give enough credit to what is in that 3d space, what is in their reality. And for so many people who, again, they have this failure mindset, or they have this like, I am not, I am not worth something because I am failing by whatever I say to them, okay, well,
there are parts of your life where you have failed. are parts of your life where β you've made a mistake. can, in so many senses, you can face those things and just say, this happened, or you can say, this was once true, or even like when you were saying, because I've said this myself before, you say, I am not good at marketing. Or for me, like I've said before, like, I am not good at numbers or different things like that. And a lot of times you can kind of finish the sentence by saying like, yet.
because that's really what the truth is. It's like, you're not good at marketing yet, or you're I'm not good at numbers yet. But like, I've seen truly different things in my life absolutely change to where I used to be one way. And I have completely changed it. Like I used to be a chronic pessimist so badly. And I just always identified with I am not a positive person. And that I just accepted that. And then I started thinking to myself, I was like, Okay, but what if that's not true?
forever. What if that's just true right now? But what if I can actually change that? And then I started identifying parts of my life where I was optimistic and where I was really positive. And I was like, wait, look at that. Look at that. And I like looked for proof because it's there. And you can actually like create proof. Like if it's not there, then create it, you know, or even people that are let's say they're struggling in their business and they're like, I just feel like I don't serve my clients well because X, Y, Go back to your old past reviews.
L K (12:00)
Right.
Nathan Chanski (12:14)
where clients are raving about you go back to your past galleries where you've actually knocked out of the park and you're so proud of your work like, filter in truth to your brain of who you want to be because it's there you just have to go looking for it you just have to identify the evidence because it's out there.
L K (12:31)
Right. And our brains so, I love that you brought that up because our brains are constantly seeking a program and we don't realize how we're voluntarily giving it negative programming that's not helpful to us whatsoever. we seek confirmation bias in all things that we believe. β And so what you're saying is intentionally choose to feed yourself confirmation of the positive as opposed to confirmation of the negative, because you can look around and see
Nathan Chanski (12:36)
huh.
Right.
Totally.
L K (12:58)
my god, yes, my house sucks. My house is a mess. My yard's falling apart. Or you can look around and say, my god, I'm so grateful that I get to live in this place in this time have this warm bed, you know, so you absolutely have a choice in how you approach all aspects of, you know, the mindset. And I think a lot of people don't realize that it is you have so much freedom of choice. There's a lot of free will in mindset. It's nothing I guess, if not free will.
Nathan Chanski (13:00)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And there's a lot of like brain science in it too, like even what you were saying about thankfulness of where you are. There's studies that have actually shown that thankfulness, like the feeling of gratefulness actually reduces activity in the amygdala of your brain, which is the amygdala is like your fight or flight location in your brain. That activity in there makes you feel anxious and all of that. And it also strengthens the connection between your prefrontal cortex, which and your amygdala, which regulates
that fight or flight stuff. So thankfulness is like genuinely a brain hack for fear and anxiety. It's crazy.
L K (14:01)
That is so crazy. think it's such a beautiful thing to have a gratitude practice. I was always someone who was like in and out of gratitude. You know, when things become trendy, I have this trendy, you know, like I have this gut instinct to just rebel against it. It's sort of like even the term mindset, even the term authenticity, I'm just like, it. But it's so true though, because it makes you feel so good. And one of the things that I do as part of my practice to start my day aside from
Nathan Chanski (14:14)
In the same way.
Yeah.
L K (14:26)
my meditation and I, because I just, I'm a ritual freak. Like I love a ritual. Rituals, again, they program us subconsciously, of course, they prime us for the day by priming our nervous system too. So that's what I look at it as. My morning is my priming exercise. And so within that meditation, I also, β I want to talk about, I want to get into spirituality and God and stuff here too, because I think that you live very openly in Christian lifestyle with your business. And I think people get scared to do that. I am not,
Nathan Chanski (14:30)
Hmm. Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
L K (14:55)
on that side of religion, but I'm a very hugely spiritual person. And one of the practices that I have integrated into my day with gratefulness is β praying for three people every single day that I love, who I know need, you know, and I say, so grateful that I send them love. I love to send love. That's one of the newest things that I have done in my, and I do it in my business. I practice love in my business and I just feel good. It goes hand in hand with that gratitude thing. Like the more gratitude you feel, the more gratitude you receive.
Nathan Chanski (14:57)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
L K (15:24)
It's a cycle and same with love. And one of the ways I practice love is through that prayer saying, I'm grateful for these three people. Let me pray for them. And I even pray for people I hate or people who have done me wrong because I just feel like it's not for them. I'm not actually praying for you to have like, don't, I don't, it's not about you. It's about me, closing that wound and just to, get so that I can get to a point of almost apathy. That's what been my experience with it. Like the more I expose myself to these people that you often, like as soon as you think about them, you go ouch.
Nathan Chanski (15:24)
Absolutely. Yep.
Yeah.
Interesting.
L K (15:53)
The more I expose myself to them in a loving way where I'm just like, I forgive you. I hope that you find peace, whatever. I feel better about that. And that even goes to people that I feel have burdened me in business. β These things translate across the lines of your life. There is no, I don't know anybody who can keep like two separate boxes going of business and your personal life. There has to be, right, especially as a, well, and that's because that's all I know is solo-preneurs, you know, so.
Nathan Chanski (15:54)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm, yep, been there.
Right. Especially as an entrepreneur.
L K (16:23)
I don't engage with many big groups of, you know, like investment firms or anything like that. don't know anybody who owns commercial business β so personally, but as a solopreneur, like you kind of have to have some sort of faith either in self and God and whatever. That's just, there's gotta be a through line through all of it that you can come back to when shit gets really rough for you, cause it's gonna happen. But giving the, on the love note, I just wanted to say that as a practice, if you want to take this with you, dear listener,
Nathan Chanski (16:31)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
True. Yep.
L K (16:53)
β is one of the things I like to do. I got very negative about social media. Like we're talking mindset. I was just like, I hate it here. I don't want to be here. And it began to feel like something that was a punishment as opposed to something that I could enjoy. I don't know when the switch flipped, but it did. I used to really love it. Then it became something hard. I just let it become this thing where I built it up to this really big mountain to climb. So what I've started to do is β every time I get on social media, try to
Nathan Chanski (16:58)
Hmm
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm. Interesting.
L K (17:23)
only keep it to like 15 minutes a day. I get on there and I immediately go into a love practice where I'm just like, I'm gonna go and for the next two minutes, every photographer that I see in my feed, heart comment, heart comment, heart comment, just to like spread that sort of goodwill around because that's all what people want. It only takes five seconds out of my day to just be like, this is a beautiful photo to give some encouragement. And it just makes the space feel.
Nathan Chanski (17:39)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep.
L K (17:49)
more human and more livable and less like a machine that you're feeding.
Nathan Chanski (17:53)
And it'll come back to you too. I mean, something that I tell people all the time, and this is from, this isn't me projecting on anybody necessarily. This is like, I have dealt with this myself. I have talked to people who in real time have dealt with this as well. A lot of times I think the people who, well, I'll just say me, okay. I have in the past felt really, especially when I first started on social media, which was probably like over five years ago, I really felt very,
burdened by what other people thought of me. And I felt like I was always watched and I felt like I was always judged and people are always commentating on my posts just subliminally. And it was just always this, this icky feeling. So I actually started checking myself just like you're talking about. And I was like, okay, what if I started giving the appreciation and I started giving the love to other people and I started encouraging other people.
whether in my head or actually in the comments and the likes in the shares, whatever it is. And I found that it actually became so much easier for myself to share myself when it came to social media because I was truly feeling the same way about how other people would see receive my content as how I would receive theirs. You know I'm saying? So if
I in my head am like, I'm going to post, everyone's probably judging me, everyone's probably thinking a certain way about me, everything, whatever. I asked myself, okay, but Nate, are you doing that to other people? Because if you're doing that to other people, it'll just come back to you. You're going to feel like everyone's doing that to you. But if you show up with this energy of people are going to love this content, because I love their content, I can't get enough of it. I'm encouraging them, I'm liking, I'm commenting on their posts. And you just notice
not only in your mindset, does it come back to you, but actually a lot of times in reality, it comes back to you too, because people are just, it's infectious. People are magnetized to that sort of β energy of goodwill with other people. it sounds weird, but it actually truly works.
L K (19:52)
Right.
It makes you feel so good. actually reminds me of what you that point reminds me of like how they say that people who cheat are always accusing other people of cheating on them. It's that same thing. It's that exact same. I'm always like, let me bring it to a weird place. Just quickly. Yeah.
Nathan Chanski (20:13)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's so, so true though. It's, it's
the people who are always, I mean, it's like the same thing of, β I guess it's a little different than that, but it's kind of like, people are always gossiping to you, they're probably gossiping about you.
L K (20:32)
Yeah, exactly. It's such a weird thing to just realize that these cycles just repeat in every aspect of life. It's strange to be like an electrified human meat bag walking around, have all these feelings all the time. And it reminds me too, for people who struggle with social media, one of the most freeing things you can do is open your arms wide and say, just give it to me. Give me the people who love me and give me the people who hate me.
Nathan Chanski (20:39)
Yeah. Yeah.
Very true.
Right.
L K (21:00)
Because there is
Nathan Chanski (21:00)
Totally.
L K (21:01)
you can't have just one side of the coin. It's a free fall. And it's it's actually beautiful to just be like, whatever, I surrender to the full experience, the fullness of the experience, because otherwise, you're going to stay scared, you're going to stay not posting, you're not going to grow your business in any way because social media is it's we have to have it at this stage where we're at in 2025. Like you have to be doing some sort of β business on social media, some sort of showing up on social media, you can do that. It's a very subjective experience. But
Nathan Chanski (21:08)
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
L K (21:30)
The one objective thing about it is that you will receive all of the reactions. And we have to just not allow the fear of the negative to stop us from showing up because you're going to get of a hundred comments, you're going to get 98 loving comments and 2 % asshole comments. And all you can do is just laugh at those 2%, but it's so funny how we really just hyper-focus on the 2 % and totally block out the 98%. Our brains are like, see, you suck. You suck.
Nathan Chanski (21:35)
Right.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Totally.
Which is so dumb too, because I look at it as, and I'm not always perfecting this, but I oftentimes look at it as if someone is hating on me or someone has a bad attitude about me, I've done my job. Because if I don't have anybody who, if I'm not potent enough to be like someone's version of toxic, then I'm not potent enough to be someone's version of like,
absolute adoration. you know what I'm saying? It's like I don't like I was just recording a podcast this morning where I talking about this, how the when you can share more of your fundamental philosophy, and your way of doing things and who you really are. It's it's one going to turn the wrong people off, and it's going to get them out of your follower real estate. And it's going to bring in people
L K (22:27)
100 % Yes!
Nathan Chanski (22:53)
who are so, so psyched about you and excited to work with you. And to me, that's the people that I see creating the strongest, most successful brands. And it's the people who just put out stuff for the masses and just have a very lukewarm brand. I always find those are the people that they're constantly, constantly trying to keep up with the rat race. They're constantly trying to make everybody happy. They're always like, gosh, did I do this wrong? Did I do this wrong? Did I do this wrong?
Nowadays I'm like, I just give it to people straight because I'm like, if you're in my audience and you don't believe this, I need you to know like right off the bat, we are not going to get along. You know what I'm saying? Like, like there's just certain things like if, especially as a business coach, I think I try to scare people away from my program. If they're not ready to work, like if you are not ready to work, please do not take my program. Like this is not a walk in the park. This is not a quick, uh, hack.
L K (23:30)
We are not going to be friends. Yes, exactly.
Nathan Chanski (23:49)
for success. So please do please just be disillusioned by any sort of illusion that someone else is giving you about this and understand that this is the way that it is. And if that's too much for you, so be it.
L K (23:54)
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely. And it's I call it laying landmines. Like, you know, I just have I always have just embraced whatever I say bad words. I want to say bad words. I've said bad. I work in I call it the luxury gray area. The word luxury is such a weird word in the industry anyway. But I work sort of high ish end weddings with real human beings. And everyone's like, but how do you do get there with the mouth that you have on you? And I'm just like, because there are people who are just like me. And that's the way to do it. Like,
Nathan Chanski (24:05)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It is.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm
Oh, just had,
I'm just going to tell you the story. I just had a student in my program and she was on a coaching call with me and she's like, I just feel like the real me. Cause she, she talks just like you honestly, she has like the same energy as you. She's like, I just don't feel like I can book higher end clients. And I was like Larkin Kendall.com. Let's go. I was like, you can do it.
L K (24:48)
Sender baby. Yeah,
you absolutely can't do it. And that's the thing is, once you develop a belief that I can't do it being myself, you can't, you literally can't that belief becomes written in stone for you until you can overcome that specific mindset, which look at us circling back around. Yes, I love I were so good. I think it's really cool to β live in a world where business is having this
Nathan Chanski (24:59)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
We're so good.
L K (25:18)
β this evolution into self and into individuality and where people are now starting to understand because we have the social proof, right? Like you were saying, the people that you see blowing up on social media are because they are being leaning so hard into their individuality and who they are. And they're just like, you know what, take me or leave me, baby. It's one or the other. You can't be lukewarm here. And that's what we should want. We don't want people who are lukewarm. We want people that love us or hate us. That's really the goal there.
Nathan Chanski (25:36)
Yeah.
Yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yep,
L K (25:48)
So the more you're turning
Nathan Chanski (25:48)
it's really true.
L K (25:48)
people off, the more you're doing it right, I would argue.
Nathan Chanski (25:51)
Mm-hmm.
It's very true. I couldn't agree more and sometimes even too There's it's like Let me put it to you this way. I used to create a lot of content that was more viral based and more just you know Speaking to the masses and even some of that stuff β It it's not necessarily that it was intended for turning people off or turning people on but even some of that Can water down your content?
And so even recently in the past six months to a year, I've really gotten very careful to clarify my message. And what it's done is it has not gotten me tons of viral view counts, tons of viral, like counts and share counts. Like maybe I used to have, but I'll tell you what my audience has like never been more plugged in and the people that joined my program and work with me have never been more aligned. And my income goals are still being hit and maxed out and exceeded. And I'm just like,
This is to me so much more aligned than this old rat race of I have to go viral. I have to make everybody happy. I have to create content for the masses. Like it's not the way.
L K (26:49)
Wow.
It's not, it's definitely not the way anymore. agree. And I love that you, you put that point on it because, β I would, instead of looking at virality, would, I would, think that conversion is a much better metric to watch in your business. It's so important. think people get so scared of looking at their conversion metrics, like conversion, but what I mean is like for people who don't know, because you know, there was a point when I didn't know either. β it's where you are looking at.
Nathan Chanski (27:12)
way bigger.
L K (27:26)
For instance, the people who are coming to your inquiry page, versus the people who are filling it out, versus the people who are booking. Like what's the percentage as you push them down into the funnel? And you can, with that metric, you're able to really look at and see where the pain points are in your business. That's what's so cool about it is you can say, I see that they're making it to the inquiry page, but then such a low percent are actually booking.
Nathan Chanski (27:31)
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Right
L K (27:51)
where is the disconnect happening in my business there? And it gives you the, it's all good info. Like there is no bad information. There is only data. And if we start looking at it as data and not as a personal insult, like, my God, once again, confirmation bias coming into reaffirm that we blow. That's not what it is. It's just like, there's something missing. And this is what's cool about this part of the business is there's so much psychology, psychological triggers and things that you can pull there, but with integrity.
Nathan Chanski (27:53)
Right.
Mm-hmm.
you
Mm-hmm.
L K (28:20)
with intentionality, we don't want to be scared, fear mongering or, or inflating truths or all of those nasty things, because that's going to bite you in the ass in the end anyway. But I love that point, because people get so hung up on going viral, they want to have like huge following. And you know, I for what, like, honestly, for what I would rather have a very loyal client base and be making a steady income β than to be constantly going viral. It's kind of a strange
Nathan Chanski (28:20)
Right.
Right. And for what?
L K (28:48)
I don't know. And I feel like virality also doesn't equate.
Nathan Chanski (28:49)
But a lot, I mean, a lot of people, a lot of my
students, like when I've heard people come into my program or what have you, they're like, hey, Nate, I've gone viral before. I haven't gotten a single inquiry from that viral video. And they'll have it happen multiple times. And then I know other photographers and they're slow and steady wins the race. They've got their little niche following booked out every single year.
L K (28:59)
Boom. I have.
Killing
it, killing it. know somebody who has 2000 followers β and their little membership is making them $30,000 a month on 2000 followers. They're killing it. And just to hit the point home, I have a couple of videos on my Instagram and I have been so negligent with social media the last four years. It's been a block for me β for many different reasons, but I had a couple of videos go viral. And let me tell you what happened, like millions of views. β
Nathan Chanski (29:14)
Mm.
yeah, I fully believe it.
L K (29:38)
two in a row actually. What happened was because I wasn't engaging authentically, I wasn't engaging as myself on social media. I was just like posting and walking away. No stories, nothing real in the caption. I got hundreds of followers that once I came back as myself, they were like, β no, no, no. And I was like, oops. So I learned a very valuable lesson there. didn't come into my school.
Nathan Chanski (29:48)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
L K (30:02)
They weren't interested in what I had to say. They didn't want to engage with me. They were just so turned off by me by the time I showed back up again. So also we want to be really careful. I always tell people like in my school, like don't leave your social media for too long. You know, like we can't just post it and forget it because it's a reciprocity thing. You you have to be there engaging because this is what could happen to you. Yeah, you could end up signing on the next day and you have millions of views or a week later and you're like, shit, but it's all grandmas.
Nathan Chanski (30:04)
Hmm.
Hmm. Wow.
Mm-hmm.
Right. Right.
L K (30:32)
It's all Karen's, it's all people who are so unaligned with who you are that the second you say fuck on the internet, they're gonna come for you and you're gonna be like, wait, what's going on here? And you're gonna, yeah, you have to keep saying fuck. That's how you do it. I know.
Nathan Chanski (30:32)
Yep.
Mm hmm. And then how do you get rid of them? That's what's hard to sometimes. Yeah, honestly. No, but it's
true. mean, like I was just saying, on my podcast this morning, I was recording, I was like, I have 120,000 followers. And there are many days where I'm like, I wish I had half of that, or I wish I had a fourth of that of a dense following of people that I know want to be there.
L K (31:01)
Hmm.
Nathan Chanski (31:08)
You know I'm saying? Because I'm like, okay, so I have like, let's say 120,000 followers, great. And then I put something out. And it's like, let's say quintessentially me. And let's say I get 3000 likes from it. That is such a small pool of people compared to 120,000. You know what I'm saying? Now part of that's the algorithm and that not everybody sees the content in the first place. But another part of it too, I think is that some of the and I say this like, transparently, like this isn't something I'm like super proud of.
L K (31:08)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. yeah.
Nathan Chanski (31:38)
Some part of that is that the content that gathered in those huge numbers maybe wasn't as aligned for me as it should have been. And so what happens is that you kind of have a following that may be more watered down than you want it to be. So like you said, keep doing the things that whatever it is, it's gonna turn those people off so they can get weeded out. Yeah, literally. β
L K (32:00)
Keep saying fuck. Just keep saying fuck. I think that's so
great. Yeah, it's such a good point too. Like virality is not a metric of happiness in business, success in business. It's none of those things. It's just virality. You have to be, and I love what you're saying about maybe the intentionality is not a polished perfect post every time that's well produced and looks beautiful. Maybe the intentionality should be, is this 100 % me?
Nathan Chanski (32:30)
Yeah,
L K (32:30)
in every way? Can I stand
behind this and say, that's representative of me and who I am on this day? I always say, when you wake up, you're a different person every day. You're a different facet of yourself. So it's like...
Nathan Chanski (32:37)
Yep.
It's so true. I don't know if everybody's
like that, but I definitely am that. My wife is pretty steady. She wakes up with a new man every morning. Let's be honest.
L K (32:45)
Yes, same, same. And I'm like, well, this is what they're getting.
Sweet.
Bless her. I feel the same for my husband. My husband is like, I'm not that huge in astrology, but I'm Gemini, he's Scorpio, and he's just always the side. I'm like, I'm a verbal processor too. As a side note, like I love human design. I'm a projector. I've been in human design for several years and projectors are just, they have to hear, I have to hear myself say something out loud to work out a problem. And so in friendships, it's been a problem in the past too, because I didn't understand myself what I was doing.
Nathan Chanski (33:09)
Okay.
me too.
L K (33:20)
and people thought I was emotionally dumping on them. And I'm like, no, I didn't realize that. I couldn't figure out how to translate. Like, I don't want your advice. I'm not coming to you for advice. I'm not coming to you to solve my problems. I just need somebody to just hear me talk. And so my husband is really great about that. Probably why we've been together 20 years is because he's such a silent, broody man. Like to the point that people think he's an asshole, he doesn't care about making other people uncomfortable with his silence.
Nathan Chanski (33:34)
Yeah. huh.
β
Hmm.
Mm. Mm-hmm.
L K (33:48)
I have taken
him to many a dinner party with friends and their husbands and we get in the car and I'm just fuming. I'm like, you couldn't have said, you couldn't have even said one sentence. Like, what's up? He just doesn't care. He's like, just didn't feel like talking. I'm like, cool. So he leaves me to fill the space, which is why we work well, but he lets me just sort of go like, and I have my friend, think, you know, Catalina Jean, she's my bestie in this life and she is big in human design too. And she better, she knows way more than I do.
Nathan Chanski (34:08)
Mm-hmm.
yeah.
L K (34:18)
β But she's a generator and generators and projectors kind of just like work really well together. And so she's the only person in my life and the friend area who just like understands my desire and my need to just verbally just regurgitate everything. And then as soon as I'm done, I'm like, okay, cool. Love you. And she's just like, love you. And so that's what's great. I love that you have a spouse that's a very solid. One of us needs to be just true and steady.
Nathan Chanski (34:30)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
This has been nice.
Mmm.
L K (34:48)
when you have a personality type like this.
Nathan Chanski (34:48)
Mm hmm. Yep.
When you're like this all over the place. That's me.
L K (34:52)
All the time, all the
time. I love that we can share that together. I wanted to ask you, because I think that this is a really good question and myself just having a very unsuccessful launch of a workshop for the first time ever, but also because I didn't advertise it or market it or like I just got, I had a moment, which is really interesting. And I love to share this openly because I think, you know, the more we share, the more we all can learn from each other. I totally self-sabotaged.
Nathan Chanski (34:56)
You
Hmm.
Mmm.
Totally.
L K (35:20)
because my workshop didn't sell like they normally do immediately. And I was like, there comes the stories of I'm getting too old for the industry. Nobody's interested in learning from me. So many things that started to come up that I didn't realize I was carrying around as identity and subconscious beliefs in my body. So it's been a very, I look at it as like, it's a very, very much a learning moment for me with this workshop. So I wanted to ask you like,
Nathan Chanski (35:20)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
L K (35:49)
How do you personally anchor back into your self-worth when you experience a slow launch or sales are slow? Because I know a lot of people right now are on the struggle bus for many different reasons. And I would love to know what your thoughts are on that.
Nathan Chanski (36:00)
Right.
Yeah, I mean, I don't have the perfect thoughts on this for sure, because I think for each person, it is going to be different. think for each person, they have to, it's like what you said when you're like, I had to identify certain scripts inside my brain and things that were kind of there that had never come out until you reach that level of weakness. And so I think everyone's going to kind of unearth those different things when they come to it. I think for me.
number one, it always goes back to my spirituality always goes back to this is what God called me to I if I believe that I have to I have to live by that. I think number two, it always goes back to am I helping people? And do I have proof of concept that I'm helping people? β Because to me, it's not always about the numbers. I mean, obviously, we have to make income, we have to reach our goals, like all those types of things. But I think also, it does come back to
Am I helping the people that I do have? And most likely you had certain people say yes to you and most likely you have tons of people that you helped in the past. And so to me, I'm like, if I have those boxes checked, I like the best way can put it is outside of sure pivoting and changing things and redirecting strategy and trying to educate yourself to get better or whatever it is. Like those are all the practical steps when it comes to the mindset.
And the self-worth aspect of things to me, it just always goes back to those things, which is again, where's my identity rooted in? And then the second thing is, I actually helping people and doing it from an honest place with integrity? And if those two things are checked, I'm like, okay, I cannot keep questioning myself and keep self-doubting because it's an endless cycle and it will just like absolutely destroy you. You know what I'm saying? So yeah.
L K (37:50)
Yeah, yeah.
Nathan Chanski (37:51)
That's honestly where it's at. I
L K (37:52)
No, it's beautiful.
Nathan Chanski (37:54)
don't have crazy, crazy advice on the practicals necessarily, but yeah, that's where I go back to.
L K (37:59)
No, I think it's so perfect.
it's not even, you know, it's actually as I was, as you were talking, I was thinking like all action starts with what's happening in your brain, right? So that's what I got into was ice. And then the dates started getting closer and I started getting, you know, like, now it's too late. So I know I wrote down, I sat down and I was like, okay, what do I know? I know that action eases anxiety. I know that it does. So when you let something build up and build up, what I do is
Nathan Chanski (38:08)
Mm-hmm.
L K (38:27)
when I noticed that I have been procrastinating something, procrastinating is like one of the highest forms of resistance that you can get into. We experience resistance when we really want to do something. It's like as soon as we have a deep desire, resistance forms like an energy field around that thing and we have to just like slog through it and resistance shows up in whatever your kink is, mine is procrastination. I...
Nathan Chanski (38:38)
Hmm
Ugh, I hate it.
Hmm.
L K (38:52)
I was thinking to myself, so I've been putting this off and every week I'm like, next week's gonna be the week I'm gonna email and I'm gonna do all of these things and then the next week would come and I wouldn't do it. So I decided to give myself what I call a little surprise and that's where when I have something built up huge in my mind, as soon as it comes up the next time, I'm like, I'm just gonna do it right now. So within five seconds, I'm up and doing it. And that's what I did with this workshop. I was like, I have...
Nathan Chanski (39:03)
Mmm.
Yeah, Mel Robbins. Have you ever heard Mel Robbins?
L K (39:20)
feelings on Mel Robbins, but that is the one thing. Yes, yes, that is the one thing though that I have taken from her. I never read the book, but I heard someone else regurgitate it a couple years ago. And I was like, that's actually really genius to just be like, yes. But again, I call it a little surprise because I'm just like, surprise, we're doing it. Like I have to make it, I have to make it a party. But it does come from that. Yeah, it's that five sec because it's true. Like I have found that to be true. The five second thing, like if you
Nathan Chanski (39:22)
I'm saying like the five second rule.
I love it. Sounds more fun.
L K (39:49)
or avoiding something or the second something pops in your head, you have five seconds to act on it before your subliminal messaging, your subconscious messaging starts kicking in, your limiting beliefs start kicking in around it. β So yeah, I absolutely agree with that. I loved what you said about, you know, having to re-anchor in the evidence of what's happened in the past. But everything does, it's so, like everything starts with how you feel about yourself, how you feel about the thing. β
Nathan Chanski (39:57)
Right.
Right.
Yeah. I
also, I also feel like too, something that I always go back to and especially along the lines of, I helping people? Am I actually doing this for people? And all of that is, I think for me, and I'm sure this is true of you. And I think this would be true of anybody who, again, they not just put their business out there to make a profit, but they actually put their business out there to help other people. You, you almost have to come to this point.
where you say, I'm not afraid of irrelevancy. I'm not afraid of like aging out of the industry, whatever the heck that means. I'm not afraid of β just falling in my face and never getting back up again. But to me, I almost look at it from the perspective of I am most afraid that I don't do my job well enough.
of getting this product into the hands of people that need it. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm like, people need this and I'm not even gonna make it about me. Like they need this and if I don't communicate to them to, excuse me, if I don't communicate that well enough to them, I am personally being selfish. Like I'm holding back something that is best for them. And so to me, like if I ever,
L K (41:19)
Mmm.
Yes.
Nathan Chanski (41:41)
go through some sort of situation where let's say launch doesn't go well or let's say didn't book as much as I wanted to, whatever it is, I'm not looking at that as like, and I have to fight it, but I try as much as I can to not say you're irrelevant or you're phasing out or people don't want what you have to offer anymore or blah, blah, blah, blah. I look at it as I'm like, okay, I didn't communicate this magic well enough. I have to figure out a new way to communicate it. I have to be louder. Great. I have to...
L K (42:10)
Yeah.
Nathan Chanski (42:11)
share more, have to pre-frame more, I have to, you know, all these different things more, but that's on me because people need it so badly and I know that if they saw it, they would want it. It's just that I am not exposing it enough to them. Like maybe I'm delusional to think that, but that is truly where my mindset goes, because I'm like, I owe this to them. You know I mean?
L K (42:33)
You're delusional.
No, I absolutely love that. I think it's so cool. β And that's the thing is like I myself, I've been in the industry 10 years. I have a successful education business. I've done so many workshops. I've helped hundreds of photographers. I didn't realize the game that I was playing, the way that I had begun thinking about it. don't know. β It's so strange how we fall back into like patterns that we...
Nathan Chanski (42:49)
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
L K (42:59)
or like negative thought processes that we thought that we have overcome. So every day, I did this quote in my last creative class. I saw this quote and I keep repeating it. It's like, I don't even know who said it, but it's every day the warrior, like the artist gets up to renew the battle again. So you're just constantly every day getting up to renew the battle. And the same goes with your business. I think it's important too, like you were saying, to have a designated, maybe in a designated day of the week where you brag on yourself.
Nathan Chanski (43:02)
Yeah.
Hmm.
L K (43:27)
Nobody wants to work with you if you aid, they don't know what you're offering. They don't know what you can do for them. So if you're not sharing like, Hey, this is an amazing thing. I love to help. If you're not saying those things, no one can possibly know. Can't, can't read your mind. but also on that note too, people want to work with those who seem competent and confident. So they don't want to hire somebody who's like, I mean, like I'm kind of good at it. Or I've had, know, like if you're not willing to brag on yourself,
Nathan Chanski (43:33)
Hmm.
Right. Mm-hmm.
Totally.
Right.
L K (43:57)
And we've associated bragging and sales with greasy car salesman archetypes. And so that's what all of us have had that somehow implanted into our brains. And that's what we have to overcome in this process is like, no, what we're doing is in service. We sell because we know that we can make change for people, give people transformation, provide them legacy and meaning, make art of their life, whatever umbrella you and bucket you fall into.
Nathan Chanski (44:01)
Right.
Totally.
L K (44:24)
and recognizing and maybe even like taking the time to write that out. Like, what do you provide? What do you love to give to people? And then turning that into like, hey, this is what I do. And just once a week, designating a little space for that on your social media, on your story, a bragging day.
Nathan Chanski (44:30)
Right.
Mm hmm. Well, and even,
and even just telling, first of all, think it starts with obviously asking, cause for some people they have to get to this step first. You have to ask yourself, would you book your own product? Would you buy your own product? Would you recommend your own product to your former self? And then if the answer is no, well, you got to do some work and that's a whole different topic. But if the answer is yes, then
You have to look at it you have to say, okay, what if the other person who is let's say interested in your thing or potentially interested in your thing is your former self? How and you fundamentally believed that your thing would help your former self so much like it'd be the exact it'd be the exact thing that they need and nothing else would be better for them. If that were true, how hard would you market and sell to them? If you really cared about them?
how loudly would you market and sell? You know what I'm saying? And because I think to me, like with so many photographers specifically, I'm like, you can say all you want that you don't want to be salesy, you don't want to pressure them, like whatever, literally, okay, that's fine for you. This is my perspective. I'm thinking, if these people get off the call with me and I don't book them, like I'm a little dramatic in this, but I'm like,
L K (45:37)
Yeah.
Nathan Chanski (45:59)
they're gonna go book with some photographer who they're gonna regret for the rest of their lives. So I have a mission and a purpose to get them off this call booked with me, because I know that I will not let them down. if I don't sell to them, if I don't give a little bit of pressure, and I'm not overly salesy or overly pressure inducing, but at the same time I'm like, I am gonna sell to them like I would sell to myself.
L K (46:11)
Mmm.
Yes.
Nathan Chanski (46:28)
That's pretty gutsy. So, and if people don't like that, fine, but that's just, that's me.
L K (46:31)
They're not for you, yeah.
I think that's such an amazing way to put it too, not only in like going through your business as your former self, because you can identify holes. Like if you were to mentally walk through your business as somebody who is going to be a customer and maybe, know, like yourself as a starting photographer, you're able to recognize what needs to be filled if you have an education business or, you know, as the client. That was a really great, that stirred that thought for me. β
And also you have to remember people that everybody's used to being sold to all day, every day. Our whole life is a long commercial. β And you can definitely do it much better than other people when you show that you really care and want to, you want the best for them. they're, they, that genuine feeling that you have and that integrity, it translates energetically to the people that you're speaking to.
Nathan Chanski (47:06)
Totally. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
L K (47:25)
they're gonna
notice and you need to make sure too, just as a side note, that those things, those values, your business, I could go on about business values forever, β but that, and your dogma, why you do what you do, what you believe about what you do, that those things are clear on every point on the internet where they're gonna meet you. Cause they're meeting you while you're sleeping. Is your website very clear about those things, you know?
Nathan Chanski (47:45)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
L K (47:49)
about what you believe,
Nathan Chanski (47:50)
Yep.
L K (47:50)
why you believe, what you do, how you do it, who you do it for. Are we clear? Can I get on and see that on every aspect of who you are digitally? Because those are your avatars. We're all meeting each other's avatars before we're meeting each other these days. β So that's just one of those β things that you need to look at. find with so many photographers too, like you were saying, they don't even understand what they believe about the work, what they believe about the photography process, what they believe about their education businesses.
Nathan Chanski (47:58)
Right. Yep.
Yep, it's so true.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
L K (48:18)
And once we can define those and re-anchor that in our value system, your values don't change over time. The definition might change, but your core values don't change. And you can always come back and fill holes in your business and understand why you're feeling unsettled or stuck or whatever. You can always find that you have gone off a value somewhere, which is a side note. I just love, get, I find values incredibly sexy. I love to talk about values. They're great.
Nathan Chanski (48:28)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yep, it's so true.
No, yeah. And you can tell when
people have them and when they don't because oftentimes like it's something that almost can't be taught in a sense. Cause sometimes like what you're saying about creating that avatar, creating that website copy, creating those things, those beliefs that you're giving to people. It's like, man, sometimes I, when I talk to people about putting things on their website and whatever have you, I'm like, well, you, you gotta speak to, what would you want them to hear?
L K (48:48)
Right?
Right.
Nathan Chanski (49:11)
what's
important to you for what's important that they know about you. What's important that they know in general before they work with you? β What are what's something that lights you up? I mean, if you can't come up with those things, I'm not saying there's like no hope for you. But like you got to do some inner work because that's like the bedrock. That's the bedrock of how you communicate.
L K (49:26)
You're over.
Yeah.
And everything is going to start there. Like I think it's interesting how we have been taught to just like values or background noise. But really, I didn't start writing my values out until like two years ago, eight years into business and realizing how critically important that was. And that's because I went off the tracks and started taking advice from people who, yeah, that worked for them. Didn't work for me. I didn't trust my own instincts. And I just suddenly got to this place where I did not feel any self-trust.
Nathan Chanski (49:51)
Hmm.
L K (49:56)
And I burned my business to the ground mostly before I realized what I was doing. And it was just a huge learning curve. It was very necessary because now I can pass that lineage of learning onto the next my students. And that's the beauty of being in education. That's the beauty of being a photographer is you get to pass on a lineage in both of those ways. And I think that's so gorgeous. I wanna wrap up here. I mean, like we could talk forever, but I know we...
Nathan Chanski (50:00)
Hmm.
Totally. Yep.
Mm-hmm. Yep. I love it.
You
L K (50:25)
We have children in lives.
I want to ask you two more questions. β The next one, the last one I wanted to ask, if someone's listening and they feel like they're doing all the right things, right? But nothing is moving in their business. What advice would you give them? What would you tell them?
Nathan Chanski (50:30)
Okay.
I would say usually three things that a lot of times I tell people. β A, do it longer, whatever you're doing, because sometimes that's all it takes. And there's a lot of people, especially, let's take marketing, for example, and there's a lot of people that they struggle with marketing because they're just like, I'm doing everything. I'm putting myself out there, but still I'm getting crickets or I'm not getting as much β influx of inquiries and sales as I want to.
And so some of that is because you haven't been doing it long enough. Marketing is not this quick fix, this quick hit of β microwave success. Usually a lot of times that takes time and there's a lot of things in business like that. And so part of it is do it longer. And some people I've told that to, truly they will come back to me like a month after and they'll be like, Nate, something just happened. Like it finally all clicked. Like the flood gates have finally opened. And it sounds like
Crazy, but I'm serious. Sometimes that's all it is, is it just do it longer. The second thing I tell you is do it better because sometimes you have been doing something and you think you're doing it all the right ways, but maybe you're actually not. And there's blind spots and there's certain things that you could be putting more energy into or you could be refining and making even further more yourself, more original to you, more quality, more excellent.
And so sometimes, or maybe you need to educate yourself more. You need to hire someone to educate you. You need to read more. You need to learn more. You need to get mentorships, whatever that is. So some of it's maybe you got to do it longer, but you got to do it better as well. Cause what you're doing is just not good enough. And number three, I would say if you've tried both of both of those things, then I do think don't be scared to try something else. Do it different. Like maybe
it's not the right time for that because, maybe like that, like whatever, that old β saying that people say where it's like all the wrong doors are closed because it's leading you to the right door. And I think sometimes that is actually, to quote the great Katy Perry, sometimes that actually is true. Like maybe all the doors are closed because the right one is actually right beyond you. And so you might need to do it different.
L K (52:52)
Mm.
Yeah.
Nathan Chanski (53:06)
in the end. And I, for example, like some people will just pound and pound the pavement with Instagram marketing and, I'm doing everything in Instagram, everything in Instagram, it's been a six months or it's been a year and I'm not getting anything. I genuinely tell people I'm like, well, get your butt off Instagram, then do something else. Go meet with people in person, go to vendor events, go get on people's vendor referral lists, go market yourself and SEO for the first time, go run Google ads for the first time.
L K (53:23)
Yeah.
Nathan Chanski (53:34)
go shoot more with people that aren't even paying you just so that you can get your work in front of real people. β And I think sometimes it does take you doing something differently. So that's my advice to people in those, that situations like do it longer, do it better or do it different.
L K (53:39)
Yeah.
Yeah,
and also I would like to add do it scared. know, like if you're gonna do get in there and do it scared. Look at us. Look at us. The square of do it. I'm so proud. β Okay, my final question is my favorite question. You are a book fairy and you can shazam a book that maybe helped you in life or business β into the hands of everybody listening right now. What are you shazaming?
Nathan Chanski (53:52)
Yeah, there you go. I like it
Mmm.
Mmm.
How about I give you the first book I give people when they join my program. And that book is called Psycho Cybernetics. it's, yeah, I love it too. And it's the first book I give people because it comes back to all that we're talking about. It comes back to mindset. It's by, yeah, it's by this Dr. Maxwell Maltz and he, yeah, just incredible story, incredible reason for why he wrote it. But again, it goes all back to that whole idea of what you believe about yourself.
L K (54:19)
Let's go.
I love that book.
Nathan Chanski (54:44)
and the scripts you have in your subconscious brain. And to me, that was one of the most, it may have been the most formative book I ever read when I was in business and kind of one of the catalysts of change for everything.
L K (55:00)
Wowza, I love that book. I never hear people bring that book up. That's so funny. Yes, I never, it's an oldie, but a goodie. And also just as a side note, if you get deep into him, you can read his self-hypnosis book too, which is actually a really great book as well. think it's a follow-up to the psycho-cybernetics. Not 110, don't quote me on that. As always, β I am wrong on a lot of things. This is just my subjective lived experience and what I subjectively believe.
Nathan Chanski (55:02)
Really? It's an old one.
Never knew that one.
It's fair. That's all right.
L K (55:29)
just as a caveat. β Thank you, Nathan. You're wonderful. If you want to follow Nathan, as you should after this episode, if Nathan inspired you, as he probably did, I would love it if you would pop over to his Instagram. I'll leave it in the description at Nathan at Nathan Chansky, Nathan Chansky β and just like drop him a little love note and maybe send him a DM and tell him what you took from this episode, because I just thought it was such a great chat.
Nathan Chanski (55:29)
Fair enough.
Chanski.
Yeah.
L K (55:58)
I feel warm and fuzzy. I'm excited to go and tackle my to-do list today. Thank you for coming into the Mother Photographer universe. We appreciate your visit. We're glad you came in peace.
Nathan Chanski (56:00)
Same.
Love it.
Thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it.
L K (56:13)
Okay, how do I stop this thing?
Nathan Chanski (56:17)
You
